Today Kait and JJ have Alicia Britt Chole on to talk about hidden or anonymous seasons and what grows in there.
Introduction
How would you define that hidden or anonymous season?
Why do you think God gives us these seasons of hiddenness?
What is the ROOT of the “just until,” “when I get?”
For those that feel that God has vision them a vision of a spouse… but they thought it would have happened way EARLIER than now, what do they do with that?
What would you say to the single who maybe says they’ve brought their grief to the Lord but nothing seems to be getting better? Is there a limit to how much the greif is potentially leading them to feeling stuck or a deep well of despair?
You say in Anonymous “ It will not surprise me if in the end we learned that God enjoyed our hidden years the most. THey seem less cluttered with the glittery stuff that distracts us from His face.”... Can you expand on that?
One of my favorite quotes from you “I feel that trials do not prepare us for what’s to come as much as they reveal what we’ve done with our lives up to this point.”
Hey guysss! Welcome back to another podcast episode for season 12 all about tools to thrive in singleness! We have a very very special guest on today, the author of Anonomoys: Jesus’ Hidden Years and Yours, Dr. Alicia Britt Chole. We are so honored to have her here with us today. You guys are really in for a special treat! We’re focusing in on hidden seasons today.
If you haven’t read Anonymous, it’s about those hidden seasons where we feel like someone has hit the pause button on our dreams or potential. Where we’re looking around our life saying, this is not where I thought I’d be now, there are missing pieces that I thought were certainties, I’m waiting for something to begin. What we do in Anonomoys is we look at the life of Jesus and all we want to model. His teachings we want to memorize, His example that we want to study, those 3 years rest on 30 hidden years. 30 years where He was very much anonymous, not celebrated, definitely underestimated. 30 years where He was waiting AND growing AND preparing. So in the same way God choreographed the Son’s life, He choreographs our lives in these hidden and waiting seasons. They’re not a waste of time. They’re actually essential to all that God is building within us. In the book we look at what God grows in anonymous seasons.
Anytime period before what God has called you to and that event, movement and action. That’s part of what we discover in the seasons. Life isn’t about to begin at some future point. It definitely does capture how it feels sometimes though.
“If only _____.” “Once I graduate ______.” “Once I get married _______ no, once we start the family, no once we move, no once we get that secure job, no I think that maybe after we retire then maybe…”
Our entire culture tries to get us to think that our whole life is awaiting some future starting point. Because God is present, this moment is as full, as rich as any moment will be.
Alicia has found that He gives these to us as a gift to protect us, to prepare us, and to also teach us that the real treasure isn’t out there somewhere, it’s with us already here. When we think about God being infinite and God being omnipresent it means that God is equally present in every moment. There isn’t some future moment where there’s going to be more of God for you. There isn’t some amazing event we need to get to, or a wedding alter that we need to find, in order for the presence of God to somehow be thicker or more. God is as present to us today as He ever will be. All of His fulless, all of His goodness. What hidden seasons do is they unclutter us. These seasons where we feel like someone has pressed the pause button, in some sense it removes from us what we thought our identity was in. Until we get to the point where we relaize our identity is in HIM, our value is in HIM, our contentment is in HIM, whatever the season, whatever the scenery, whoever else is accompanying me. There is treasure to be found in realizing that God with me, is truly enough.
Could it be that we need a new theology of contentment? Alicia tends to think that we all have this GPS in our soul and we’ve got this address in there of where we think contentment is going to be. For some people it’s marriage, for others it’s a career, for others it’s healing. Thinking that contentment is some kind of point like those above is why we keep looking into the future saying, “well where is that?, why isn’t that here yet?, or what do I need to do to get there?” Contentment is more about a person than a place. Contentment is more relational than transactional. Maybe we’ve cluttered our definition of contentment so much that we’ve made it impossible to find. Contentment isn’t about acquiring things. Contentment is found relationally. I’m loved, and the one who loves me, holds me. Which means, like Paul, I can be content in every situation.
Grieve well with Jesus and we remember that His call to ALL was to simply follow HIM. There was no extra call. He is the leader and we’re not. This is all about relationship. There’s one call to follow Him. Period. Where that follow takes us, only he sees. The treasure is WITH HIM. Grief is HEALTHY. It’s honest and that’s what leads us to intimacy with God. Be honest with Jesus and then follow Him. We think answers open the door to trust, it’s honesty.
The FRUIT that comes from a waiting season…more specifically, do you feel like we cut off the ability to process and grieve the deep, hard, negative feelings. Is that where our intimacy with Jeus kind of just plautus? Or what is the effect of drawing that line of I’m happy to spend that time with Jesus but this is off limits.
Since God is the ultimate reality, anytime we make an alliance with denial we are moving in the opposite direction of intimacy. So the more we’re able to be honest about what’s real the greater our capacity to walk with the God who knows all about reality. God wants the real you. We don’t have to spin it or fluff it. So we bring the sadness with us. It becomes something we integrate with faith. A faith that has been seasoned by sorrow is a very different type of faith than one that’s only been peppered by joy.
Alicia would highly recommend her book, “The Night is Normal.” There is a difference between grieving as a solo and grieving as a duet. When we’re just greiving all by ourself, that has very different fruit then when we, like Mary and Martha, grieve with Jesus. We have to invite Jeuss into the greif. When we feel discouragement and disillusionment starting to edge toward despair, for Alicia personally, it’s usually because she’s exited the duet and she’s just living it as a solo. When we grieve as a solo, often what were greiving, becomes an identity issue for us. It shifts from this is full of sorrow for me, to I am sorrow. Greiving with Jesus helps keep the grief uninfected. It keeps us having to look at Him. It keeps us wrestling with the tension of how can He be so good and how can He be so powerful, and how can I hurt so much? When we wrestle with it looking in His eyes, it stays uninfected. It gets infected when we turn away.
Dueting with God is a habit that takes practice. Jesus is with us. We live life in the plural not in the singular. You AND Jesus are doing everything. This also emphasizes that we are not alone.
When we talk about interior contentment. We can’t mistake it for exterior calm. We can know internal contentment regardless of what’s happening externally.
As a single, not that life isn’t complicated, but relationally it’s easier to focus. It’s such a wonderful opportunity to build up those mental muscles of being intentive to the presese of God regardless of the length of this season even if it’s a lifetime. That muscle will serve us well in every single season and arena we step into. Singleness does create that fertile ground for cultivating that discipline in a way that other seasons may be a little distracting.
You’ll never regret the muscles you’re building now of being in the duet with Jesus, grieving with him, spending time with him. It’s hard to develop a new discipline in the midst of a crisis or conflict. Everything we can grow in this hidden season will serve us well in every other season to come.
You can connect with Alicia on Instagram, her website, and can get her books on Amazon. Check out her newest book, The Night is Normal.
Dr. Alicia Britt Chole has often been compared to a velvet-wrapped sword: her voice is soothing and her messages are piercing.
She loves to study and teach less than trendy themes like what grows in barren seasons, the discipline of decrease, the use and abuse of spiritual authority, doubt as a growing pain of faith, and habits of a truly healthy soul.
An intriguing wordsmith, Alicia is a skillful mentor, an award-winning writer, and an international speaker. Men and women, learners and leaders, across ethnically diverse groups agree: In a culture obsessed with all-things-new, Alicia brings ancient truth to life.
Alicia holds a doctorate in leadership and spiritual formation from George Fox Seminary and serves as the founding director and lead mentor of Leadership Investment Intensives (www.leadershipii.com), a nonprofit devoted to providing customized soul-care for leaders in business and ministry.
Along with her husband, Dr. Barry Jay Chole, and their three amazing children (all Choles through the miracle of adoption), Alicia lives in the Ozark countryside and enjoys thunderstorms, jalapenos, #LOTR, thorny questions, wild woods, and pianos in empty rooms.
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